Confronting rhetoric with knowledge.
Right let me explain to you what is happening since none of you have a fucking clue. Let’s get some things straight.
Ok so this is a direct challenge to the comment currently trending on Facebook by a man called Ricky Davies from Swansea. I find this as insulting as much as our beloved Prime Minister calling those on the opposition to bombing Syria , the “terrorist sympathises”. Each of Ricky’s comments are highlighted.
We are not going to war.
According to the Oxford Dictionary this is the definition of war: ‘A state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country’. So we can argue on definitions, but it’s a little harsh to say we “don’t have a fucking clue”, when the definition is down to interpretation, although I think it’s pretty obvious.
We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq. What this means is we are now going to bomb them over the Syrian border, where as before we were not allowed because we did not have the authority to do so. So if we were chasing a group of Isis militants before and they entered Syria from Iraq we would have to stop the chase and let them get away.
On this issue I agree, if you’re going to bomb Iraq, you might as well bomb Syria as Daesh does not share the same notion of a national border, however many of us would argue that bombing without a coherent ground force in BOTH countries is bad, although that wasn’t the choice given to Parliament doing the final debate.
We can now attack Isis strong holds which will prevent them sending terrorists to the uk amongst the refugees.
I think at this point we can really debate about ‘who has a clue’
7/7 Bus bombings:
Mohammad Sidique: Raised in Beeston, Leeds
Shehzad Tanweer: 22, Aldgate bomber Was born in Bradford but lived most of his life in the Beeston area of Leeds.
Germaine Lindsay: 19, Russell Square bomber Jamaican-born British resident Germaine Lindsay spent his childhood in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, not far from the other bombers’ homes.
Hasib Mir Hussain: 18, Tavistock Square bomber Hussain was a second generation British citizen
No evidence of any of these citizens being trained in Syria, although the point is that these attackers where radicalized in the UK
Omar Ismail Mostefai: French born to Algerian parents, although the is hints that he was trained in Syria, he’d been radicalized way before this intervention, and warning flags were not responded to by the French secret service, and passed through Turkey borders as a citizen, NOT a refugee.
The Abdeslam brothers: Belgium born French national, no evidence of going to Syria or Iraq to be trained, grew up in a suburb of Brussels.
Bilal Hadfi: 20 year old French National, did fight with Daesh, was not a refugee.
Ahmad al Mohammad: Did appear to be a refugee, although his real name and identity are a mystery, I myself am cynical about why you’d carry your own passport and Identity documents during a suicide bomb, which conveniently don’t perish in the explosion, but at least there is some remnant of the clue this writer claimed to have about these terrorists.
Samy Amimour: French National, did join terrorists and returned to the country, crucially was radicalized before his departure.
Abdel Hamid Abaaoud: Born in Molenbeek, Belgium. The mastermind of the operation, radicalised before his first journey to Syria.
Hasna Aiboulahcen: French women, Radicalised during trips to Morocco to visit her father
Now although there is obvious evidence to suggest “bombing Daesh camps” would stop any kind of training, the point is that not one of these people were citizens of Syria fleeing chaos, they were radicalized on western soil. Now I’m sure you don’t want to bomb parts of Paris and Belgium, but having a clear community strategy and a policy of integration is precisely how you can highlight violent individuals, there were many issues with the lack of detection work done by the French secret service.
According to Nicolas Hennin, a French Journalist who was prisoner for 10 years by Daesh: he explained that part of Daesh’s strategy is to create divides between Islam and the Western world, through a perception that Europe are hostile to Muslims, by bombing civilians and turning away refugees. This is done to boost the reputation of Daesh being a safe haven for Muslims under the Caliphate.
We are not starting it and it is not the British government making things worse.
We have simply joined an elite list of world powers already bombing them.
These countries include
USA, Russia, China, France, Turkey and even little Kurdistan.
Countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran are also bombing them, Who are both 98%+ Muslim and under sharia law.
So before you go mouthing off about it’s a racist thing, then how come them countries are also bombing them?
Again this is the perception by pro-bomb Syria campaigners that we are all in this against Evil, like some twisted Avengers movie.
To help explain the cluster fuck in the Middle-East, and why bombing Syria is NOT a clear cut choice
1st. Assad bombs protesters and civilians
2nd. Free Syrian army starts civil war
3rd. Assad releases extremist Islam prisoners who join the Syrian army to deter Western Involvement
4th: Syrian Kurds detach from other groups to form separate resistance against Assad.
5th: Iran joins Assad with arms and aid to his supporters
6th: Gulf states fund the rebels through Turkey ( See 3rd point)
7th: Hezbollah join conflict defending Assad
8th: Jordon helps arm Syrian Rebels (see 3rd and 6th point)
All of this, points to a general divide between Sunni and Shiites.
9th: USA start training and equipping rebels (see 3rd, 6th and 8th point)
10th: Russia joins War( and by now I’d hope you’d refer to this as a war) in defense of their ally Assad (See 1st,3rd,5th,7th points)
11th: Daesh forms from Iraqi Sunnis and Syrian rebels who break away from all movements declaring themselves a separate state, they don’t fight Assad, only the rebels and Kurds ( See 4th point)
12th: Turkey our supposed ally starts bombing the Kurds, but not Daesh
So yes you’re not being racist, how can you be with so many different factions? However If you’re claiming that people opposing bombing Syria “need to get a fucking clue” I think you’re being hypocritical.
And before you go on about how the government is making a mistake how about you educate yourself on what is really going on instead of giving your clueless and irrelevant opinion.
Hmm, how ironic.
Do you really think that we are going to bomb the whole of Syria and not just the suspected Isis bases? If so then you should not have the audacity to even comment on the matter.
we know that approximately 165,000 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the US, its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through April 2015. The violent deaths of Iraqi civilians have occurred through aerial bombing, shelling, gunshots, suicide attacks, and fires started by bombing (http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqi)
Yes we do have the audacity, due to the facts and “clues” that some of us actually read up on.
Bravo David Cameron on making this decision which will save millions of lives and help put an end to Islamic state.
How dare you David Cameron for calling your opposition to bombing Syria Terrorist sympathizes, we need to work with all external countries for a peaceful resolution, with a united effort of Western and Middle Eastern forces to oppose Daesh as a joint group.
AND we most certainly need to take more refugees to show tremendous bravery against terror, against fear, for we will not give in to Daesh’s wishes, and we should never turn our back on innocent people fleeing from war.